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#gif warning #avengers #okay but why does nOBODY EVER TALK ABOUT THE GENERATION GAP #come on guys this is the MOST INTERESTING THING #look if steve had lived through the war he would have been part of that post-wwii generation #imagine steve in the 60S GUYS #you think he would have put up with those young folks disrespecting those soldiers and his country by protesting the war? HECK NO #remember that scene at the beginning of ca:tfa where he tells off that guy in the movie theater? THAT WOULD BE STEVE IN THE 60S #and tony is in his 40s!! tony is gen x! tony is NOT EVEN A BOOMER #tony is TOO YOUNG TO BE A BABY BOOMER tony is YOUNGER THAN OUR PARENTS #tony doesn’t know what it’s like to live in a country that’s in total war! tony doesn’t know what it’s like for loyalty to your country t… #to be something that almost everyone has! #look guys we make fun of america ALL THE TIME we mock patriotism and nationalism and the usa CON STANT LY #when steve hears the word soldier he equates it with the word hero #and when tony hears the word soldier he hears an insult. #because steve’s war is wwii #and tony’s wars are vietnam and iraq and afghanistan and tony knows that when america fights wars it is not necessarily the good guy! #and steve cannot even BEGIN to comprehend that #steve barely knows what WATERGATE is for god’s sake steve probably still trusts the government #steve doesn’t know about jfk conspiracy theories! steve doesn’t know about the patriot act #(and let me remind you that in 616 canon steve actually fought a war to bring down the expy!patriot act) #god america has grown up SO MUCH since steve’s day #americans are sarcastic and cynical and plugged into the media 24/7 #americans depricate themselves constantly americans hate america more than anybody else does #pearl harbor turned america into a unified force for change in the world; 9/11 turned america into something paranoid and bitter #steve no longer represents america #he represents what america wishes it had ever been #and tony? tony understands the usa a whole lot better than steve does and he knows it and steve never will #and tony understands how war can destroy and steve only understands how it can save #holy christ why would you write porn when you could write about that
ooc: Some valid points, but… Steve still trusts the government? What? Really? Um, no, no no no. Steve, Steve was not part of the postwar generation, he was a part of the Depression generation, OK? People were only just starting to believe that the government could be trusted in the forties after that. At most, he’s going to believe that government can be good, because of the New Deal - he’d probably be very in favor of similar social programs. But he’s not going to have blind faith in the government, that’s something that came into play after 1945.
What Steve’s attitudes would have been had he still been around are irrelevant, because he didn’t experience that. He’s still stuck when everything is only just starting to get better in his world - and not even very much better, because he’s a poor kid from Brooklyn. And the people who didn’t like anti-war protesters? Part of why some of them didn’t like it? Because they were seeing rich (to their eyes) college kids protesting while their kids fought and died. There are layers to these things - not saying the wars were right, but not everyone believed in the war. Most people didn’t. But there were other reasons not to like the protests, and it makes total sense that a former soldier would have issues with disrespect to people who were dying overseas. So yes, that I agree with, but don’t dismiss it as being naive. There’s more to it.
So, yes, there’s a lot of generation gap issues. And God, it’d be fascinating to read about the contrasts. But let’s get them right. The late 20s (probably all Steve would remember clearly), 30s, early 40s? Were not the late 40s and the 50s, OK? It was a different world, a different attitude, and Steve? Would have been a teenager - the most instinctively rebellious age group - in the 30s when there was a lot of stick it to the man attitude among people because they felt screwed over. Why do you think gangster movies became so popular as part of their culture? People getting away with things, sticking it to the establishment - i.e. the cops. Steve wanted to be a soldier because at the time, Hitler was the biggest bully around. We know this, he said this. That was what he wanted - and, y’know, let’s not forget, unmentioned as it was, that the military would then pay for college if you lived or it could be a career, and gee, poor city kids like Steve and Bucky could use that.
Basically, when we lost trust in the government? We lost a trust we’d only earned back after WWII. It wasn’t something that had always been there.
And wow, I ranted, I’m very sorry, but this… gets to me. Obviously.